Vintage Schroff Gun (with Wave Tools Ties)

Greetings, Shredderz! Today we’ll be featuring a board that’s a bit of a head scratcher. There is currently a board listed on eBay (link here) being advertised as an early Schroff gun, likely shaped sometime during the late Seventies or early Eighties. Click on any of the photos below to enlarge.

The board doesn’t have Schroff’s far more famous black and white parallelogram logo, but instead, what I believe is a starfish logo. You can just barely make this out against the beautiful navy blue acid splash on the deck (see the featured photo at the top of the post). The starfish dates back to the very early days of Schroff surfboards, back when it was Hanifin / Surfside sports.

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Another early Schroff Designs logo, courtesy of a board that was sold on eBay a while back.

However, the Schroff gun that is listed for sale on eBay is almost identical to a Wave Tools single fin I featured a while back. Even though both brands and shapers were an integral part of the Echo Beach scene during the Eighties, it’s strange to see two eerily similar boards produced under different labels. See below for a photo of the Wave Tools gun:

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You’ll notice the Wave Tools gun has the same navy blue resin tint (I believe) on the deck, and also with a wooden fin on the bottom. See below for a photo of the bottom of the Wave Tools gun. Make sure you scroll within the Instagram post for a close-up of the fin.

The airbrushes on the bottom of both boards are very similar. I believe they must have been done by the same artist. What really blows me away, though, is the similarity between the glass on wooden fins on both boards. If you click through on the Wave Tools Instagram post above, you’ll notice that Lance Collins commented on the post to say the wooden fin was made by his half brother, Clay Smith. Lance also suspects the Wave Tools board could have been one of Clay’s personal riders.

As you can see towards the top of the page, the Schroff gun also has a Clay Smith wooden fin. There’s no doubt that both fins were made by Clay.

I’m not quite sure how to explain these boards! The best theory I can come up with is the Schroff board currently listed on eBay isn’t actually shaped by Schroff himself. Or did Clay Smith also provide his wooden fins to other Newport Beach shapers? I’m not sure. I believe I have seen the starfish logo on non-Schroff boards — including some Hanifin shapes — and so there’s a chance this was shaped by someone else. If you look closely at the logo on the Schroff gun, you’ll see there isn’t a Schroff logo anywhere (unlike the Instagram post I linked to earlier, which has the starfish graphic with “Schroff Designs” text underneath). I can’t quite make out the text on the logo on the Schroff gun on eBay — take a peek below and let me know if you have any clues.

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Close up of the logo on the Schroff gun listed on eBay. Anyone have any ideas what is written in script towards the bottom?

Then again, I have never seen a Lance Collins board that bore the Hanifin / Surfside Sports logo. No matter what, I’m having a hard time trying to figure out how these two boards, which are practically siblings, could have been produced under two different brands.

Check out the Schroff gun on eBay here, and if you have any theories, please let me know!

Hot Stuff Kong Gary Elkerton Board by Tom Eberly

Greetings, Shredderz! Are you ready for a heaping helping of Eighties neon, brought to you by Hot Stuff, one of the finest Aussie surfboard labels of yesteryear. First and foremost, shout out to Steve, who is by far this humble blog’s most prolific source in terms of reader submissions. Steve picked up this incredible stick along his board collecting journey and was generous enough to share these pics. Anyway, pictured below is a Hot Stuff Kong Gary Elkerton model, shaped by Tom Eberly. Shockingly, Eberly doesn’t have his own Encyclopedia of Surfing entry, but he was part of the second wave of Lightning Bolt shapers, behind names like Lopez et al.

First of all, how gorgeous is this board?! The rainbow gradient airbrushes on the deck and the bottom are absolutely ridiculous. I’m stunned the board has remained in such great condition. Even the glass-on fins look like they’re still solidly fixed on.

Hot Stuff is an Aussie brand founded by Paul Hallas and originally based out of Currumbin on the Gold Coast. The brand might be best remembered for its association with Rabbit Bartholomew, who won a world title surfing  Many talented shapers have passed through Hot Stuff’s halls, such as channel bottom maestro Al Byrne (RIP), Neal Purchase Senior, Eberly and even a young Bob Hurley. The board featured here was almost certainly shaped in the US, given Eberly’s involvement. Another giveaway is the pair of laminates on the tail — the Clark Foam logo on the left and the West Coast Glassing logo on the right. Curiously, there’s a Quality Glassing devil logo, which I believe is an Australian glass shop. See here for an absolute cracker of an Al Byrne-shaped Hot Stuff stick with a Quality Glassing logo.

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Kong, of course, refers to power surfer Gary Elkerton, and it’s gotta be one of the greatest nicknames in surfing history. Kong helped bring Al Byrne’s famous six channel boards to life in pumping surf on his way to three runner up finishes on the world tour, and some virtuoso performances at Sunset Beach on the North Shore of Oahu. Byrne shaped for Hot Stuff before founding Byrning Spears, until his untimely passing a few years ago. The Hot Stuff Kong model, however, appears to have been made by other shapers for wider release. I can’t say who shaped the Australian Hot Stuff Kong boards, but Eberly and Bob Hurley helped shape the ones that appeared Stateside.

Unsurprisingly, Board Collector has posted some great examples of Hot Stuff Kong models. Here’s one with Byrne’s signature channel bottom design, although it’s unclear if Al shaped it himself. Board Collector has another example of an Eberly shaped Hot Stuff Kong board, which must have been shaped around the same time. Finally, There’s another post with an interesting selection of Hot Stuff sticks, including some Rabbit / Al Byrne collaborations.

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I was able to find another bitchin’ example of an Eighties Hot Stuff Kong board, this time on a website called Vintage Surf France. The French board also sports an amazing looking channel bottom, but again, I’m not sure whether it was shaped by Al, or if it was done by someone else. It’s in such great condition I’m wondering if it might be a newer reissue, although the traction pad looks like an older one.

Finally, it’s worth following Elkerton on his Facebook page. He doesn’t post all the time but there are some gems there, including an AB-shaped channel bottom that Kong credits for his contest wins at Sunset. It’s actually a Byrning Spears board, not a Hot Stuff, but still has the Kong logo. I’m guessing it was shaped shortly after Byrne left Hot Stuff to strike out on his own. At the bottom you can see an amazing shot of Rabbit and Kong both toting some awesome-looking Hot Stuff shapes (if you look closely you’ll see the AB logo peeking out on Kong’s board).

Once again I’d like to thank Steve for reaching out with pics of this killer board. If you have something similar and you’d like to see it featured here, please do let me know.

Greg Noll Slot Bottom Longboard

First of all, can I get an amen for Craigslist sellers who make sure to post photos that do their surfboards justice? Pictured here is a positively spotless Greg Noll Slot Bottom longboard that can currently be found on Craigslist in Orange County. You can find a link to the listing here.

Frankly, everything about this board is stunning, from what looks like a 3/4″ redwood stringer, to the classic atom logo. (I also featured another Greg Noll surfboard that had a version of the atom logo with three rings around it, which you can find here.)

The Greg Noll slot bottom surfboard is undeniably beautiful, and it’s easy to see in the photos that accompany the listing. (I wrote up a very similar-looking Greg Noll longboard, which is not a slot bottom, in a post you can find here.)

Pictured above is another Greg Noll slot bottom, which was sold at the USVSA auction in 2008. You can find a link here. The auction took place ten years ago, so prices may have shifted considerably since then, but the red Greg Noll slot bottom was estimated to go for between $5K and $7K. By contract, the Craigslist board has been listed at $2,800. I wouldn’t say these are apples to apples — I personally think the color in the red board makes it a bit more attractive — but if those prices still hold today, I would say the Craigslist board is reasonably priced.

And on behalf of all the other window shoppers out there, I would once again like to extend my sincere gratitude to the seller for posting such great photos of the board. I won’t be owning a Greg Noll slot bottom any time soon, and in the meantime, I’m just stoked that there are some high quality photos for me to drool over. Hopefully someone else with deeper pockets will scoop up this board and post even more pics. You can check it out on Craigslist here.

Greg Liddle Longboard

Greetings, Shredderz! Today we have a bit of an oddity from one of the blog’s favorite shapers. No, your eyes do not deceive you: that is indeed a Greg Liddle longboard you see.

The board pictured here was posted for sale on Craigslist in Santa Cruz for an unbelievable $180. I sent over perhaps the single most desperate email that has ever been sent in Craigslist history, and I’m still waiting to hear back. I don’t know who ended up with this thing, but even if they paid double the asking price I think that’s a nice score.

You can click the photos above to enlarge. Usually I like to crop the photos I get off Craigslist and try and make them a little more presentable, but I really dig the jungle-like background in these shots. If you’ve read this far in the post, trust me, you’re going to want to geek out on the details of this Greg Liddle longboard.

The seller thinks this thing was shaped in the late Sixties, but I don’t think that’s the case. The seller’s analysis is based off the fin box, but I can’t see it up close in the photos. Even if I could see the fin box I’m not sure I would be able to draw any conclusions about the board’s age. Either way, it just looks newer to me than something made in the late Sixties, but that’s a hunch more than anything else.

The vast majority of Liddle Surfboards I see are mid-length hulls. The Greg Liddle longboard in this post is obviously an exception. I have seen numerous Liddle L Spoon models, which I believe were based off Renny Yater’s famous Spoon design. I’m not quite sure if the board featured above qualifies as an L Spoon, however. Based on the Instagram photo below, it looks like Liddle also shaped some non L Spoon longboards, too.

What’s really interesting about the Greg Liddle longboard in this ad is its appearance. Liddle’s boards tend to be pretty simple and straightforward. However, the one featured here has a ton going on, whether it’s the unusual logo placement, what I believe is a grey resin tint throughout, and then the navy blue patch on the deck, too.

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Finally, this board has a rare “GL” logo that I have never seen on another Liddle before. This logo is part of the reason why I think the board was made well after the late Sixties — it looks vaguely Eighties to me — but it’s super unusual.

If you own this Greg Liddle longboard or you have more scuttlebutt about its origins, I’d love to know!

Seventies Yater Single Fin

Greetings, Shredderz! Today we have another quick hit for you: a Seventies Yater single fin that was recently listed for sale on Craigslist. The listing is no longer up, so I can only assume someone snapped up this sweet stick. According to the seller the board was shaped in 1977 and it measures in at a shapely 7’9″.

Of course, Renny Yater’s pedigree needs no further justification, least of all from someone of my extremely modest surfing abilities. But there are a few little things going on with this board that I really dig. When I think of Yater’s boards, I think of clean lines and an understated aesthetic. I wouldn’t say this Seventies Yater single fin is loud, per se, but the lime green airbrush is a bit brighter than your average Yater. I love the contrast between the color of the airbrush and then the classic Santa Barbara Surf Shop logo, too. Call me crazy but it reminded me of the colors of Andre Agassi’s Nike Air Tech Challenge I.

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As you can see above, the board appears to be a Renny hand shape, as indicated by the simple “Y” on the stringer, alongside a four digit serial number. A knowledgeable friend tells me that the serial numbers on these Seventies Yater boards are not sequential in any way. Instead, they were just the random numbers from a series of numbered order books that Renny used to keep track of his stock.

The listed price on Craigslist for the Seventies Yater single fin was $525. The board has obviously seen some use — there are some visible pressure dings on the deck, and the tail looks like it might have taken on some water — but overall, I think this is a pretty good price. Congrats to whoever snagged this thing!

On the Edge of a Dream

Today we’d like to alert you fine folks to a very cool project that is under way: a film and book combination called “On the Edge of a Dream.” “On the Edge” is a collaboration between Andrew Kidman and Ellis Ericson, alongside the legendary George Greenough. The project is made up of a short film and an accompanying book, both of which are available exclusively through the website. “On the Edge” is an exploration of George Greenough’s edge board design, which has seen a resurgence recently due to shapers like Marc Andreini and Scott Anderson, as well as a crew of alternative surf craft enthusiasts such as Kirk Putnam and Dave Rastovich. Oh, and in case not enough bold faced names have been thrown at you, Barry McGee designed the artwork.

The Surfer’s Journal ran a great piece a few years ago that featured Dave Rastovich taking two other Greenough edge boards through their paces at Cloudbreak. The two boards featured in the Rastovich / TSJ article look extremely similar to the one Ericson can be seen surfing in the trailer for “On the Edge of a Dream.”

If you’d like to see the film in person, “On the Edge of a Dream” will be doing a series of premiers up and down the California coast. See the Instagram post below (and give the official account a follow) for more info on this rad undertaking:

Bing David Nuuhiwa Lightweight Model

Greetings, Shredderz! Today’s post is a relatively short one. Don’t worry, we’ve got some more in-depth stuff in the works. In the meantime, though, there are some great vintage surfboards out there on the internet, and I would be remiss if I didn’t mention them. Up here we have a truly classic longboard: The Bing David Nuuhiwa Lightweight model. There’s currently one up for sale on Craigslist in Ventura. You can find a link to the board here. All of the photos in this post are via the Craigslist link.

Bing Surfboards has produced many memorable boards during its run, but the Bing David Nuuhiwa Lightweight stands out as a particularly beautiful longboard. I wrote an earlier post about the Bing David Nuuhiwa Lightweight Model. The Nuuhiwa Lightweight is not to be confused with the Bing David Nuuhiwa Noseriding Model. In 1968 the Bing David Nuuhiwa Lightweight got a redesigned logo and a pintail. has a great example of a Nuuhiwa Lightweight with a pintail. This eventually transitioned into the Bing Pintail Lightweight — yes, the names all sound awfully similar to one another — before the Transition Era went into high gear with models like the Bing Karma and the Bing Foil.

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Love the clean lines of a glassed-on fin. Looks like some repairs might have been done but it still looks great.

The board pictured above was shaped in 1967. One of the giveaways is the almond-shaped logo. We know this because someone posted the board to the Classic Bing Surfboards group on Facebook. Bing himself is active in the group, and whenever cool older boards pop up, he’ll often go back to his order books and produce a certificate for authenticity.

You can see the yellow Bing David Nuuhiwa Lightweight model was shaped in August 1967 and has the serial number #7918. Thank goodness that Bing kept such careful records of his boards. It’s amazing to step back and think that over half a century later, some of these surfboards are still in good condition, and have come full circle.

Now, the catch is the price — the Craigslist seller is asking $2,700. I don’t have references for what the Bing David Nuuhiwa Lightweight models fetch at auction, but clearly the seller isn’t about to let this go for a song. Nor should he — this is a rare older board in pretty fantastic condition. I suppose all of this is a very long way of saying I don’t know whether or not this is a great price. I’m happy to say, however, that it is a very cool board. If you’re interested in seeing the listing, check it out here.

Finally, I can’t recommend the Classic Bing Surfboards Facebook group enough. See below for some awesome Bing David Nuuhiwa Lightweight ads that group members posted earlier. Thanks for reading!

Con Super Minigun Stringerless

Greetings, Shredderz! Consider this post a simple heads up for a cool and unusual surfboard that’s currently listed for sale. The board pictured in this post is a stringerless Con Super Minigun. You can find the board on Craigslist here. I am almost certain this is being sold by the owner of

You can click on the photos above to enlarge. My guess is the board was shaped during the late Sixties, during the Transition Era. It looks like it has a hull-like bottom, but I can’t say for sure without seeing the board in person. The board also has some rare logos for a Con Surfboards stick. I have personally never seen many of the logos or model names on this board. For starters, I have never seen that Con logo on the bottom of the board. This is also the first and only Super Minigun I have seen. Con made a Minipin during the Transition Era, and the Super Ugly is one of its most famous models, but the Super Minigun is a first. The stringerless blank is also unusual.

Anyway, if you’re interested, you can check out the Craigslist posting for the board here.

Shed Sessions: Newport Beach Edition

Greetings, Shredderz! Today’s post features Bird Huffman, owner of the legendary’s Bird’s Surf Shed down in San Diego. If you haven’t paid pilgrimage to the Shed yet, you should. The Shed is stocked full of an incredible array of vintage boards and staff members are personable and knowledgeable.

Bird has also been hosting a great series for Surfer Magazine titled “Shed Sessions.” Each Session takes a crew of surfers from a certain area and then hooks them up with some vintage boards, all of which have a historical connection to the featured location, and films the results. The most recent Shed Session features some Newport Beach rippers taking a couple of Orange County gems through their paces.

There’s a beautiful Dyno sting — shout out to Bird for the proper nomenclature — that looks really fun in the small but hollow beachbreak testing grounds. The next board is a Robert August swallowtail single fin, which looks very similar to a board I wrote about recently.

The star of the show, though, is a Shawn Stussy-shaped Russell Surfboards single fin. As longtime readers may know, I love Stussy’s boards in general. It’s hard to argue with a classic Eighties Stussy thruster, but I may love the Russell single fins from the Seventies just as much. For one, they aren’t as common.

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Close up of the logo of the Russell / Stussy board featured in the Shed Sessions video. Like Bird, I have never seen this combo before.

I love this Russell Surfboards Stussy shape because you can see the beginnings of what would go on to become one of the most famous streetwear brands ever. In the photo above, which is a screengrab from the video, you can see an early version of the Stussy logo. As Bird mentions in the video, I have never seen another Russell board with a Stussy logo. I have seen other Russell boards that were signed by Stussy, and I have also seen Stussy boards with early versions of the logo that pre-date the famous script, but the combo above is unusual.

Surfer Magazine has produced a bunch of Shed Sessions episodes, and I urge you to check out the entire run. It’s a great series featuring some beautiful old boards paired with great surfing and even some history, too.

Herbie Fletcher Double Dip

Greetings, Shredderz! Today’s post is just a quick hit from the archives featuring two unusual Herbie Fletcher surfboards. The photos of both boards were sent to me by a pair of generous Shredderz. Shout out to Russell and JD for passing these along — and I’d like to also issue a friendly reminder that my Instagram DMs are always open for some vintage surfboard heat! Anyway, let’s get to the good stuff:

First we have a classic Herbie Fletcher longboard, which Russell was kind enough to send along. Check out Russell on Instagram here. Apparently this board is mega thick — Russell tells me it’s close to 3″. I’m guessing it’s likely a noseriding machine, but I have yet to see this thing in person.

As you can see, the board is in pretty phenomenal condition. I can’t see any pressure dings on the surface anywhere, and it has been polished to a nice sheen. The Herbie Fletcher longboard has all the details you would want out of an older surfboard. I dig the slight bit of gradient in the tail of the Herbie Fletcher arrow logo, and the Clark Foam laminate is always a welcome sight. I’m not sure when this thing might have been shaped. If you held a gun to my head I would say the Seventies or Eighties, but that’s a wide range.

The second board is a unique Herbie Fletcher sting, which was likely shaped sometime in the Seventies. Gracias JD for sending over these pics! You can check him out on Instagram here. I mainly wanted to share this one because it’s so unusual. I have seen a good number of Herbie Fletcher single fins, but none with a sting outline, in an obvious nod to Ben Aipa’s groundbreaking design. I love the colors on this board too — there’s just something very mellow about the yellow logo and the sea green. Unfortunately some repairs were made on the bottom, as you can clearly see in the white areas, but the rest of the board looks remarkably well preserved.

Finally, if you’re in the market for a Herbie Fletcher single fin to call your own, the board featured above is still up for grabs on eBay. You can find a link to the orange Herbie board here. The price has dropped from $1100 to $850, although I’ll be curious to see if that does the trick.

Thanks again Russell and JD for the photos of these beautiful Herbie Fletcher shapes!